Atheism

Secular/ Atheist Friendly Music #2

So here it is part two.

FIRST AID KIT – Hard Believer

I went to see them earlier this week and they were amazing.  Still don’t understand what happened to people not dancing at gigs any more but there you go.  Anyway they didn’t play Hard Believer (although they did play covers of America and Love Interruption which made me a bit over-excited) but I forgive them.

Well I see you’ve got your bible your delusion imagery
Well I don’t need your eternity or your meaning to feel free
I just live because I love to and that’s enough you see
So don’t come preach about morality that’s just human sense to me

Love is tough, time is rough
Love is tough, time is rough on me
On me, on me

And it’s one life and it’s this life and it’s beautiful

TIM MINCHIN – Storm

This isn’t the obvious Tim Minchin song to put in an atheist/ secular playlist, after all there are so many to choose from, but the line: And it’s one life and it’s this life and it’s beautiful of Hard Believer leads me to post Storm.

A 10 minute + beat poem in which Tim argues with a hippy named Storm he comes out with this line which I LOVE and quote almost too often:

Isn’t this enough?

Just this world?

Just this beautiful, complex
Wonderfully unfathomable, NATURAL world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?

PATTI SMITH – Gloria

Ok – it’s just the opening part really – but it’s a classic – do I need to say anything else?

Jesus died for somebody’s sins but not mine
Meltin’ in a pot of thieves
Wild card up my sleeve
Thick heart of stone
My sins my own
They belong to me, me

GERSHWIN – Ain’t Necessarily So

It ain’t necessarily so
It ain’t necessarily so
The t’ings dat yo’ li’ble
To read in de Bible,
It ain’t necessarily so.

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE – Killing In The Name

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

My song of choice for stomping home …


Unfortunately ‘Storm’ isn’t on Spotify … but there will be a couple of other Tim Minchin tracks in this list!
I’ve also made the playlist collaborative if anyone’s interested in posting their suggestions?

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I think this atheist is going to church tomorrow …

… don’t ask why, because I’m going to tell you.

I’ve been a form tutor to my tutor group for 4 1/2 years and they’re about to leave this summer 😦  One of my tutor group, let’s call him J, has been a pain in my ass for many of those 4 1/2 years, but I have a lot of time for him, despite his annoyances.  Not just him, but the rest of his family too.  I’ve taught his older sister, it looks like I’m about to teach his younger brother, and I’ve known his mum well for all those years.

Recently, at a parents’ evening his mum asked for my phone number again because she wanted to ‘take me out’.  At another parents’ evening she said she was going to take me out THIS Sunday – ‘we’ll meet some people, have some chats and then go for a drink.’

Hmmm, now I know the family are EXTREMELY religious and J and I have had MANY conversations about my beliefs, or indeed, my lack of them.  In fact we’ve had many heated discussions about how being gay isn’t a choice (he came back and said he was 85% convinced that my argument was correct – as much as he hated to admit it).  Anyway, I guess he’s gone home and discussed this with his mum and YET AGAIN people have decided they need to save my soul.

So will I go?  At the moment I’m undecided, it depends on what happens tonight (if anything).  I’d like to, as I like the family and I think that as much as I don’t agree with their belief system, I do think that I have to show that I am as open-minded as I ask believers to be.  However, I am nervous.  How do I do it without laughing the whole way through the service?  Without rolling my eyes, tutting or simply bursting into flames as I walk through the church door?  How am I ‘polite’ yet ‘firm’ that I cannot be converted?  That I’ve been there and done that?

It’s a conundrum … perhaps I need to listen to my ‘secular playlist’ some more for inspiration.

Secular music #1

… this idea made me laugh when I thought about it.  I’ve read so many Christian blogs about ‘Christian-friendly’ music so I thought I’d write a list of my favourite songs that question God and religion. I’m apparently not the first to do this (surprise surprise) but hopefully there are a few songs in here that aren’t on all of the other lists (although I do love ‘Imagine’ by Lennon and ‘Dear God’ by XTC I decided not to add them as they are on EVERY other list out there!). Also, this isn’t in ‘order’.  The order is random, as are my music tastes.

DEPECHE MODE – Blasphemous Rumours

Yeah yeah yeah this is on virtually every other list out there but this was the first song that I ever heard that questioned god. I was 11 when this came out and I didn’t really understand it properly for a couple of years.  I’d been sucked into a crazy evangelical church and I was going through a hard time at school.  Some events happened, the church told me to burn my copy of this song, and I suddenly decided: ‘fuck you god’.  This song helped me through that.

“I don’t want to start
Any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God’s
Got a sick sense of humour
And when I die
I expect to find Him laughing”

MANIC STREET PREACHERS – Crucifix Kiss

You’d expect a band with ‘preachers’ in the name to have at least one song which is ‘atheist-friendly’.  Crucifix Kiss is one of my favourite MSP songs anyway, let alone the fact that it criticises organised religion.

“Christen me fuhrer Nazarene
Believe in tomorrow but not today
Give me all your possessions

Make poverty your perfect home
Allow your leaders to control you
Questions are now blasphemy

Why walk when you can crawl
Stay on your knees and kiss my feet”

NEW MODEL ARMY – Christian Militia

I doubt anyone would be surprised that New Model Army have an anti-organised religion song.  I chose Christian Militia because I was listening to it the other day and it sparked this blog.

“There’s a nightmare coming
Shut up your doors close your mind
There’s a nightmare coming
Born again, born again blind”

VOLTAIRE – God Thinks 

I cannot explain how much I love Voltaire – his lyrics always make me laugh.

“God thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth
God thinks there was something very wrong with Copernicus
God thinks abortion is murder and
God thinks everything that science gave us is wrong
God thinks women deserve it
God thinks AIDS is a form of punishment
I hate people who blame the Devil for their own shortcomings and
I hate people who thank God when things go right

And I, I know what God thinks
God thinks you’re an idiot
God prefers a heretic”

BAD WOLF – Their Religion

Luckily my new ‘band crush’ have a song that questions organised religion too!  Their Religion is a thumping, driven tune that makes me smile whenever I hear it.

No Youtube link for this but you can listen to the song here: https://ukbadwolf.bandcamp.com/track/their-religion

“Too quick to contradict
Uncertainty is a plague for us all
But I can’t accept that laws we set in stone back then
Will prevent our downfall

Cos I see that’s all been a bluff
For we’ve never felt love from up above
We shouldn’t be scared by the things that they tell us
Cos they all live in sin

Faith, who are you trying to save
Too much time for hate”

NIN – Terrible Lie

There are so many NIN songs to choose from but to end this part of the blog I’m going to choose ‘Terrible Lie’.  A song that constantly questions god’s existence.  I remember listening to this a few years after I’d left the church and it helped me cope with those moments when you do want to believe but your sane, logical side tells you that a god cannot exist.

“you made me throw it all away.
my morals left to decay.
how many you betray.
you’ve taken everything.

terrible lie.
my head is filled with disease.
my skin is begging you please.
i’m on my hands and knees.
i want so much to believe.”

I’ve got more to post but does anyone have any others to add?

Here’s the playlist on Spotify that I’ve started … I’ll update it with every post then make it collaborative 🙂

It’s been a while!

I’ve been super busy … work, holiday to Orlando and basically life have stopped me from posting anything recently.  But now things are calming down a bit more and I can finally update this thing.  Which is fortunate because I have a couple of Pinterest rants to share.

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So this is the original pin – it’s something that tends to be an issue I have to deal with at least once a week when people who are religious find out that I’m an atheist.

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.20.44I don’t really know where to start with this one.  It’s SO passive/ aggressive that she instantly raised my hackles – and I know that xtians and other religious people believe that they are evangelising to me however they always seem to veil their comments in mock ‘respect’.  I get this a lot in conversations I have with believers at work and then people wonder why atheists come across as angry and sometimes aggressive.  Because it’s ok to do this to us but imagine if we spoke to them the same way?  You see, I NEVER go onto an xtian’s pins, or a Muslim’s pins, or a Buddhist’s, Hindu’s, Sikh’s, Wiccan’s, Druid’s etc. pins and say ‘Seriously, what’s your problem?  Please don’t get me wrong, I respect you and love you (even though I don’t know you) but why are you such an idiot for believing that crap?’.  I don’t ever do that, I simply pin my pins and that’s it.  But when someone encroaches on my boards and starts waffling at me I feel that I have every right to respond.

So, this Ellie Rose, parenthesises her comment to me in protestations of love and respect.  Then asks me how, if I’ve ‘apparently’ done all this religious research (obviously I’m lying about that) how can I close my eyes and heart off.  This really really annoys me.  Where is her love and respect for me?  Why is she assuming that my heart and eyes are closed?  In fact, mine are opened wider.  I’ve not been bogged down with the religion of my parents, in fact I’ve been enlightened by my own religious awakening – that there is no religion.  There is no god.  In fact this beautiful, amazing world is ours to make work NOW.  I don’t need a promise of another life so that I’m good here.  I simply know that I need to be good because that’s the way to be.

Grrrrrrrr 🙂  But Ellie Rose, I think, was just trying to understand, but I doubt she really read what I wrote. They never do.  They get the ‘rise’ out of the atheist – we’ve proved their point that atheists are angry and aggressive – and that’s it.

Ok, so that’s Ellie Rose, flying spaghetti monster bless her, but Lotus needs to go away and admit they’re wrong:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.39.14At no point on this pin do I state that this is from the Qu’ran:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.41.13In fact in the ‘description’ I quote the full Tabari again.  I know that Tabari can be considered controversial however I am still allowed to quote him! He’s an historical figure in Islam and people do read his works. In the same way that I can quote pastors, priests etc. from Christianity.

So I get this patronising comment from ‘dear’ Lotus:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.46.41Such pass/agg bull again – ‘my dear’, ‘may god guide you’, ‘love’. Arg … you don’t know me … you think you know me but you don’t.  Why would I want ‘god’ to guide me? I’m a bloody atheist! If he/she is guiding me they’re doing a bloody awful job of it aren’t they?

Then to ask me ‘what do you know about Islam – make research about Tabari’.  Why assume that I don’t research?

So I showed dear Lotus some of my research from the Qu’ran:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.49.46Words that offend me about women from the Qu’ran.  Obviously not as inflammatory as Tabari but still offensive to me.

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.51.10And finished it with this … ahhh … good old Lotus comes back with their pass/agg bull again:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.52.12Why start this with me and then not be prepared to discuss what I had raised?  I’m happy to discuss if you don’t patronise me.  And a strange quote from Stuart Chase to finish with.  Basically she’s saying that to be a believer you are just an idiot who doesn’t need any sort of proof.  But to be a non-believer we can’t be talked to.  I think it was less offensive to me to be be honest!

Also to state that ‘this is not the place’ for the discussion made no sense – she started it!

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.56.57ARGHHHH

It’s no wonder I get angry and frustrated because they are so fucking arrogant.

I feel I lost it a bit here – usually I’m very calm and measured (and people often say I’m too bloody polite) but I dislike people accusing me of being ‘hateful’ when I am referring to texts that are FULL of hate.  I dislike people saying that I am ignorant when I do research 98% of what I pin and I DO remove or admit when I’ve got something wrong.

Anyhoo – this was for you guys to enjoy – so enjoy.

Links to the original pins:

– Tabari

– Yes I’m an atheist.

An apology …

I made a mistake.  If you read this post here you will read about a series of verbal attacks I got on Pinterest regarding my perceived ‘USA-bashing’ and provocative attacks on Christians.

I have to hold my hands up and admit, that after writing that post, I stopped reading anything that had her name on it if it arrived in my inbox.  I was tired of dealing with irrationality and insults in caps.

Well – to my shame – I missed her revoking one of her most provocative comments and I do, sincerely, regret that.

The pin was about the Westboro Baptist Church and how they are even more batshit crazy than the KKK.  She originally stated:

It is a cult! Im a Christian and strongly agree with their actions but let the ignorant believe what they will, who are we to judge.

Obviously I balked at the ‘Im a Christian and strongly agree with their actions …’ – however this was a typo so here’s her comment that I stupidly ignored:

So I apologise for that.

However …

I do not agree with the other part of the original comment: but let the ignorant believe what they will, who are we to judge.

Well – if we all go around letting the ignorant believe what they will and not judge, what will happen then?  Women would not have the vote.  Segregation would still be in operation.  Homosexuality would still be illegal.  The age of consent would still be 12 … what else?  I DO judge ignorance because there is no excuse for it.  When I get something wrong then I DO admit it.  And I get things wrong all the time.  It’s part of learning – that’s how you learn.

One last thing – in Julie’s comment below the original blog post she stated that I didn’t copy EVERYTHING that was said – well just follow the links on the pins and you’ll find them.  I didn’t want to copy wholesale as then I’m just lifting and posting.  Surely writing is about editing and commentary.  Yes I’m biased, of course I am, but I’m not going to hide the originals from everyone – so go see!

 

Atheist Quotes #1

Still can’t sleep – here are some atheist quotes that I like:

 

Again I don’t know the photographers – so if you do please let me know so I can credit or if you’re the photographer and want the image removed please just ask 🙂