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Secular/ Atheist Friendly Music #2

So here it is part two.

FIRST AID KIT – Hard Believer

I went to see them earlier this week and they were amazing.  Still don’t understand what happened to people not dancing at gigs any more but there you go.  Anyway they didn’t play Hard Believer (although they did play covers of America and Love Interruption which made me a bit over-excited) but I forgive them.

Well I see you’ve got your bible your delusion imagery
Well I don’t need your eternity or your meaning to feel free
I just live because I love to and that’s enough you see
So don’t come preach about morality that’s just human sense to me

Love is tough, time is rough
Love is tough, time is rough on me
On me, on me

And it’s one life and it’s this life and it’s beautiful

TIM MINCHIN – Storm

This isn’t the obvious Tim Minchin song to put in an atheist/ secular playlist, after all there are so many to choose from, but the line: And it’s one life and it’s this life and it’s beautiful of Hard Believer leads me to post Storm.

A 10 minute + beat poem in which Tim argues with a hippy named Storm he comes out with this line which I LOVE and quote almost too often:

Isn’t this enough?

Just this world?

Just this beautiful, complex
Wonderfully unfathomable, NATURAL world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?

PATTI SMITH – Gloria

Ok – it’s just the opening part really – but it’s a classic – do I need to say anything else?

Jesus died for somebody’s sins but not mine
Meltin’ in a pot of thieves
Wild card up my sleeve
Thick heart of stone
My sins my own
They belong to me, me

GERSHWIN – Ain’t Necessarily So

It ain’t necessarily so
It ain’t necessarily so
The t’ings dat yo’ li’ble
To read in de Bible,
It ain’t necessarily so.

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE – Killing In The Name

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

My song of choice for stomping home …


Unfortunately ‘Storm’ isn’t on Spotify … but there will be a couple of other Tim Minchin tracks in this list!
I’ve also made the playlist collaborative if anyone’s interested in posting their suggestions?

I think this atheist is going to church tomorrow …

… don’t ask why, because I’m going to tell you.

I’ve been a form tutor to my tutor group for 4 1/2 years and they’re about to leave this summer 😦  One of my tutor group, let’s call him J, has been a pain in my ass for many of those 4 1/2 years, but I have a lot of time for him, despite his annoyances.  Not just him, but the rest of his family too.  I’ve taught his older sister, it looks like I’m about to teach his younger brother, and I’ve known his mum well for all those years.

Recently, at a parents’ evening his mum asked for my phone number again because she wanted to ‘take me out’.  At another parents’ evening she said she was going to take me out THIS Sunday – ‘we’ll meet some people, have some chats and then go for a drink.’

Hmmm, now I know the family are EXTREMELY religious and J and I have had MANY conversations about my beliefs, or indeed, my lack of them.  In fact we’ve had many heated discussions about how being gay isn’t a choice (he came back and said he was 85% convinced that my argument was correct – as much as he hated to admit it).  Anyway, I guess he’s gone home and discussed this with his mum and YET AGAIN people have decided they need to save my soul.

So will I go?  At the moment I’m undecided, it depends on what happens tonight (if anything).  I’d like to, as I like the family and I think that as much as I don’t agree with their belief system, I do think that I have to show that I am as open-minded as I ask believers to be.  However, I am nervous.  How do I do it without laughing the whole way through the service?  Without rolling my eyes, tutting or simply bursting into flames as I walk through the church door?  How am I ‘polite’ yet ‘firm’ that I cannot be converted?  That I’ve been there and done that?

It’s a conundrum … perhaps I need to listen to my ‘secular playlist’ some more for inspiration.

Secular music #1

… this idea made me laugh when I thought about it.  I’ve read so many Christian blogs about ‘Christian-friendly’ music so I thought I’d write a list of my favourite songs that question God and religion. I’m apparently not the first to do this (surprise surprise) but hopefully there are a few songs in here that aren’t on all of the other lists (although I do love ‘Imagine’ by Lennon and ‘Dear God’ by XTC I decided not to add them as they are on EVERY other list out there!). Also, this isn’t in ‘order’.  The order is random, as are my music tastes.

DEPECHE MODE – Blasphemous Rumours

Yeah yeah yeah this is on virtually every other list out there but this was the first song that I ever heard that questioned god. I was 11 when this came out and I didn’t really understand it properly for a couple of years.  I’d been sucked into a crazy evangelical church and I was going through a hard time at school.  Some events happened, the church told me to burn my copy of this song, and I suddenly decided: ‘fuck you god’.  This song helped me through that.

“I don’t want to start
Any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God’s
Got a sick sense of humour
And when I die
I expect to find Him laughing”

MANIC STREET PREACHERS – Crucifix Kiss

You’d expect a band with ‘preachers’ in the name to have at least one song which is ‘atheist-friendly’.  Crucifix Kiss is one of my favourite MSP songs anyway, let alone the fact that it criticises organised religion.

“Christen me fuhrer Nazarene
Believe in tomorrow but not today
Give me all your possessions

Make poverty your perfect home
Allow your leaders to control you
Questions are now blasphemy

Why walk when you can crawl
Stay on your knees and kiss my feet”

NEW MODEL ARMY – Christian Militia

I doubt anyone would be surprised that New Model Army have an anti-organised religion song.  I chose Christian Militia because I was listening to it the other day and it sparked this blog.

“There’s a nightmare coming
Shut up your doors close your mind
There’s a nightmare coming
Born again, born again blind”

VOLTAIRE – God Thinks 

I cannot explain how much I love Voltaire – his lyrics always make me laugh.

“God thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth
God thinks there was something very wrong with Copernicus
God thinks abortion is murder and
God thinks everything that science gave us is wrong
God thinks women deserve it
God thinks AIDS is a form of punishment
I hate people who blame the Devil for their own shortcomings and
I hate people who thank God when things go right

And I, I know what God thinks
God thinks you’re an idiot
God prefers a heretic”

BAD WOLF – Their Religion

Luckily my new ‘band crush’ have a song that questions organised religion too!  Their Religion is a thumping, driven tune that makes me smile whenever I hear it.

No Youtube link for this but you can listen to the song here: https://ukbadwolf.bandcamp.com/track/their-religion

“Too quick to contradict
Uncertainty is a plague for us all
But I can’t accept that laws we set in stone back then
Will prevent our downfall

Cos I see that’s all been a bluff
For we’ve never felt love from up above
We shouldn’t be scared by the things that they tell us
Cos they all live in sin

Faith, who are you trying to save
Too much time for hate”

NIN – Terrible Lie

There are so many NIN songs to choose from but to end this part of the blog I’m going to choose ‘Terrible Lie’.  A song that constantly questions god’s existence.  I remember listening to this a few years after I’d left the church and it helped me cope with those moments when you do want to believe but your sane, logical side tells you that a god cannot exist.

“you made me throw it all away.
my morals left to decay.
how many you betray.
you’ve taken everything.

terrible lie.
my head is filled with disease.
my skin is begging you please.
i’m on my hands and knees.
i want so much to believe.”

I’ve got more to post but does anyone have any others to add?

Here’s the playlist on Spotify that I’ve started … I’ll update it with every post then make it collaborative 🙂

It’s been a while!

I’ve been super busy … work, holiday to Orlando and basically life have stopped me from posting anything recently.  But now things are calming down a bit more and I can finally update this thing.  Which is fortunate because I have a couple of Pinterest rants to share.

Pinterest

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So this is the original pin – it’s something that tends to be an issue I have to deal with at least once a week when people who are religious find out that I’m an atheist.

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.20.44I don’t really know where to start with this one.  It’s SO passive/ aggressive that she instantly raised my hackles – and I know that xtians and other religious people believe that they are evangelising to me however they always seem to veil their comments in mock ‘respect’.  I get this a lot in conversations I have with believers at work and then people wonder why atheists come across as angry and sometimes aggressive.  Because it’s ok to do this to us but imagine if we spoke to them the same way?  You see, I NEVER go onto an xtian’s pins, or a Muslim’s pins, or a Buddhist’s, Hindu’s, Sikh’s, Wiccan’s, Druid’s etc. pins and say ‘Seriously, what’s your problem?  Please don’t get me wrong, I respect you and love you (even though I don’t know you) but why are you such an idiot for believing that crap?’.  I don’t ever do that, I simply pin my pins and that’s it.  But when someone encroaches on my boards and starts waffling at me I feel that I have every right to respond.

So, this Ellie Rose, parenthesises her comment to me in protestations of love and respect.  Then asks me how, if I’ve ‘apparently’ done all this religious research (obviously I’m lying about that) how can I close my eyes and heart off.  This really really annoys me.  Where is her love and respect for me?  Why is she assuming that my heart and eyes are closed?  In fact, mine are opened wider.  I’ve not been bogged down with the religion of my parents, in fact I’ve been enlightened by my own religious awakening – that there is no religion.  There is no god.  In fact this beautiful, amazing world is ours to make work NOW.  I don’t need a promise of another life so that I’m good here.  I simply know that I need to be good because that’s the way to be.

Grrrrrrrr 🙂  But Ellie Rose, I think, was just trying to understand, but I doubt she really read what I wrote. They never do.  They get the ‘rise’ out of the atheist – we’ve proved their point that atheists are angry and aggressive – and that’s it.

Ok, so that’s Ellie Rose, flying spaghetti monster bless her, but Lotus needs to go away and admit they’re wrong:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.39.14At no point on this pin do I state that this is from the Qu’ran:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.41.13In fact in the ‘description’ I quote the full Tabari again.  I know that Tabari can be considered controversial however I am still allowed to quote him! He’s an historical figure in Islam and people do read his works. In the same way that I can quote pastors, priests etc. from Christianity.

So I get this patronising comment from ‘dear’ Lotus:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.46.41Such pass/agg bull again – ‘my dear’, ‘may god guide you’, ‘love’. Arg … you don’t know me … you think you know me but you don’t.  Why would I want ‘god’ to guide me? I’m a bloody atheist! If he/she is guiding me they’re doing a bloody awful job of it aren’t they?

Then to ask me ‘what do you know about Islam – make research about Tabari’.  Why assume that I don’t research?

So I showed dear Lotus some of my research from the Qu’ran:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.49.46Words that offend me about women from the Qu’ran.  Obviously not as inflammatory as Tabari but still offensive to me.

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.51.10And finished it with this … ahhh … good old Lotus comes back with their pass/agg bull again:

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.52.12Why start this with me and then not be prepared to discuss what I had raised?  I’m happy to discuss if you don’t patronise me.  And a strange quote from Stuart Chase to finish with.  Basically she’s saying that to be a believer you are just an idiot who doesn’t need any sort of proof.  But to be a non-believer we can’t be talked to.  I think it was less offensive to me to be be honest!

Also to state that ‘this is not the place’ for the discussion made no sense – she started it!

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 at 03.56.57ARGHHHH

It’s no wonder I get angry and frustrated because they are so fucking arrogant.

I feel I lost it a bit here – usually I’m very calm and measured (and people often say I’m too bloody polite) but I dislike people accusing me of being ‘hateful’ when I am referring to texts that are FULL of hate.  I dislike people saying that I am ignorant when I do research 98% of what I pin and I DO remove or admit when I’ve got something wrong.

Anyhoo – this was for you guys to enjoy – so enjoy.

Links to the original pins:

– Tabari

– Yes I’m an atheist.

Atheist Quotes #1

Still can’t sleep – here are some atheist quotes that I like:

 

Again I don’t know the photographers – so if you do please let me know so I can credit or if you’re the photographer and want the image removed please just ask 🙂

a waste of my time and theirs …

I’ve made a decision.  I can’t keep responding to every comment I get on Pinterest that abuses my beliefs.  I really can’t.  It’s exhausting me and taking me away from more important things like getting myself well and healthy; and my work!

So this is possibly the last one.  Don’t worry – I won’t stop posting my views and opinions on here – and sharing some interesting comments if I get them.  I just won’t engage in a battle of words that result in a metaphorical bashing of heads against brick walls.

Jesus was a zombie

Now – there is actually nothing in this that I believe is an untruth.  Ok, it’s not brilliantly written but it’s quite funny and sums up one view about what Christianity is – right?

Here we go:

Lisa Durant SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE MISLEAD BUT THAT IS OK IF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE. YOUR DEFINITION OF CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG. THE PATH OF THE LEAST RESISTANCE IS THE NORMAL PATH BUT WILL LEAD TO ETERNITY IN HELL! SO U HAVE FREE WILL TO DECIDE HEAVEN OR HELL… THERE IS NO GRAY AREA !

X Thumbnail of Lisa DurantLisa Durant JESUS LOVES YOU AND WANTS YOU TO SPEND ETERNITY WITH HIM BUT YOU MUST MAKE A CHOICE! NO SHUK N GIVEN HERE MAMA 1

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography Cool – I’m happy with hell – all the cool people will be there. By the way – turn off your caps lock!

X Thumbnail of Brandy UmfleetBrandy Umfleet Polstar, I will see you in HELL!!!! 😉

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography I’ll bring the snacks.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser They don’t call it hell because it’s a party. Why would you go there willingly?

X Thumbnail of Brandy UmfleetBrandy Umfleet You cannot go somewhere that doesnt exist… Sorry, but its impossible.

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography Rebecca Keyser – because far more interesting people will be there than in heaven!

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser Interesting … maybe. Just makes me sad for you. I can’t wish you well, or tell you to enjoy your stay because well, it’s Hell… like I said, it’s not going to be a good time, interesting people or not. And if I am the type in Heaven you wish to avoid, all I can say is you don’t know interesting.

X Thumbnail of Shafter N Amanda BaileyShafter N Amanda Bailey It is called Hell for a reason.You think you will see all the “cool” people there, but all will be in so much pain and suffering you won’t even recognize who they are, or yourself.

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography sounds like a normal night out for me

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography my body has died once and been brought back to life – I have all the evidence I need.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser No, if your body died, you’d be dead.

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography Oh sorry – I’m wrong about that too aren’t I? I forgot – I can never be right.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser Well, yeah, you’re wrong about that. As far as never being right, you’re in charge of that being a truth.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser Someone recently said to me, “a life here with Jesus Christ is the only hell we will ever experience. A life here withOUT Jesus Christ is the only Heaven we will ever experience.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser I had to repost my original quote. i think the “includes” was wrong… so I took that out. Not sure I have the wording exact, so I hope I’m bringing the same point across with their quote.

X Thumbnail of Brandy UmfleetBrandy Umfleet Rebecca, do u honestly think you have anything to say that hasn’t already been said? What you fail to realize is that we have seen both sides already… Atheism vs religion… Have you?

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser I haven’t failed to realize any of that. Doesn’t mean I won’t try. I am not trying to make you or anyone, do anything. I am simply doing what I believe, which is speaking the truth to those around me. I do it because God has called me to, as His child. It would be nice, if you’d truly listen to the truths with the open minds you claim to have, but I can’t force any of you to. Here I’m simply answering your replies which seem to me to be as negative as your belief systems. Why you’re against my beliefs, is none of my business. But I can’t help but assume it’s because you don’t want to hold any accountability in this life with God. It’s easier to say “I don’t believe it” and just do whatever you want with no eternal consequence.

X Thumbnail of Brandy UmfleetBrandy Umfleet Let me ask you something Rebecca… Do you believe that I “sin” more than you do because I am an atheist?

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser Not at all. I believe no one sin is greater than another. So there is no one who is less sinful than another. In God’s eyes, sin is sin, no matter what the sin. And Jesus died to pay for our sins, so if you accept him as your Savior, then your sins are payed for.

X Thumbnail of Polstar Photography Polstar Photography Rebecca – firstly I should have made it clearer – I was clinically dead as opposed to biologically dead. Something I can prove from my medical records with many contemporary witnesses. However your belief in a man who was apparently biologically dead then resurrected has no contemporary witnesses to prove this matter – the earliest records being from Paul approximately two decades following this event. Sorry I didn’t make myself clearer. As for your point that we are closed minded because we are atheists. What you fail to take into account is that many of us are raised in Christian or theist households. To open our minds to atheism and the belief that there may not be a god actually makes us open minded! I was raised in a theist household, not the most conventional, however this is my background. In my teens I was christened and confirmed as a born again Christian. I believed. However events in my life, my reading, my research has opened my mind to the belief that there is no god. Your last response to Brandy makes no sense. If you accept Jesus as your saviour then your sins are paid for? What about the sins you commit after you accept him as your saviour? Do you get away with them? Because honestly – you ARE going to sin – no matter how small. Also – I think it’s sad that you talk about ‘accountability’. I don’t need accountability to live a good life. I don’t need to do good deeds here on earth because there could be an ‘eternal consequence’. I do good deeds because it’s my moral choice. I don’t need accountability in order to behave like a normal, decent human being. Who nurtures, mentors, assists and helps my fellow man and woman. I don’t worry about whether I’m going to heaven or hell. I only worry that I’m not doing enough because I know that there are people in the world worse off than me. The promise of eternal life in heaven doesn’t keep me going, helping others, living a decent life – ‘do what thou wilt an’ it harm none’. That’s how I live my life. I do what I want to do and as far as I can I try not to hurt others. That’s not to say I haven’t hurt others. I have – but I try not to. I hope that makes some sense.

X Thumbnail of Rebecca KeyserRebecca Keyser Like I said, you’ll make your own choices, I’m not here to change them. Just here stating what I believe, because I believe it to be true. I agree with you on the point of living as a good person simply because you want to be a good person… not for accountability reasons. I also agree, we all continue to sin even after we’re saved. And yes, Jesus paid for all of our sins, past, present and future. Because I love Jesus, I want to be more like Him (not because I have to, but because I want to). Knowing that He died for me, how could I not want to be more like what He died for me to be? I do that out of love for Him…. not because I want to earn my way to Heaven. I did say above, something on accountability. What I meant was that it has been my experience with athiests (the ones who admit this to be true), that they feel as though if there is a God they will be held accountable for their lives. A point which you admitted yourself when you wrote “do what thou wilt an’ it harm none’ as being the way you live your life. You believe that your actions and wants harm none… and that is just not true. Your posting here harms many, whether you “believe” that or not.

X Thumbnail of Polstar PhotographyPolstar Photography How does it harm? This is my board, this is my belief. You CHOOSE to search out my pins. You CHOOSE to comment. You could walk on by and ignore but you don’t. Your religion has hurt many many people the world over. This is a democracy that we live in right? So I am allowed to have my views right? I’m allowed to place my views in a space where people don’t have to look if they don’t want to right? So, in order for any Christian who wants to have a bit of a rant towards atheists YOU have to come looking for me. RIGHT? So I am NOT deliberately hurting anyone. These images, views, posts etc. are posted all over the internet – you could stumble upon them any time. ‘Do what thou wilt an’ it harm none’ means intentional harm. I don’t mean any intentional harm. I mean to simply state my point of view which I am allowed to do in a democratic free society. My point of view is that Christianity is the worship of a Jewish zombie. Where am I wrong? If you believe in the resurrection you believe that a Jewish man came back to life – he was a zombie! You symbolically eat his flesh right? Where, please tell me, is anything incorrect in the cartoon I posted? Actually don’t. Because I really am too tired, and too sick to deal with this any more. I refuse to be beaten from Pinterest or from posting my own views on here, however I am too tired to keep responding to every negative comment I get. I was going to go to Christian boards and tell people how beautiful some of the passages they post are. Because I do believe that some of the bible is beautiful: http://pollysshortattention… but I really am too busy to keep up this level of discussion on a daily basis. Sorry if I come off angry and frustrated but I am sick. I am also very tired of figuratively bashing my head against a brick wall. I will not apologise for causing any offense because to be truthful, your organised religion has caused way more to be offended about around the world. However I do apologise for engaging you in this obvious waste of my time and yours.

 

I’ve lost any sort of patience with them I really have.

I thought by being flippant and facetious they’d leave me alone.  How wrong I was.

Still I think I make some sound points that are sorely missed and/ or ignored.

Oh well.

I’ll keep you up to date with any other crazy comments I get but I think this will be the last of my verbal battles on Pinterest.